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Google on Guest Blogging; be afraid, be very afraid
Written by David Harry
Monday, 15 July 2013 12:47

So here we are again huh? It was just a matter of time. There's been a lot of chatter recently (what took 'em so long?) about guest posting as a means for getting links. Much of it revolves around the fact that Google is seemingly cracking down on it...

Guest Blogging and Google

Google: Guest Blogging For Links? You Better Nofollow Those Links – in this article it relates some comments from Google's John Mueller;

Generally speaking, if you’re submitting articles for your website, or your clients’ websites and you’re including links to those websites there, then that’s probably something I’d nofollow because those aren’t essentially natural links from that website.

And

Think about whether or not this is a link that would be on that site if it weren’t for your actions there. Especially when it comes to guest blogging, that’s something where you are essentially placing links on other people’s sites together with this content, so that’s something I kind of shy away from purely from a linkbuilding point of view.

I think sometimes it can make sense to guest blog on other peoples’ sites and drive some traffic to your site because people really liked what you are writing and they are interested in the topic and they click through that link to come to your website but those are probably the cases where you’d want to use something like a rel=nofollow on those links.

As for Matt Cutts, he's also crossed this path recently in an interview with Eric Enge where he mentions;

The problem is that if we look at the overall volume of guest posting we see a large number of people who are offering guest blogs or guest blog articles where they are writing the same article and producing multiple copies of it and emailing out of the blue and they will create the same low quality types of articles that people used to put on article directory or article bank sites.

If people just move away from doing article banks or article directories or article marketing to guest blogging and they don’t raise their quality thresholds for the content, then that can cause problems. On one hand, it’s an opportunity. On the other hand, we don’t want people to think guest blogging is the panacea that will solve all their problems. “ - Matt Cutts

And this video from 2012 with the highlights;

  • Entity authority matters (for writer and posting local)
  • Don't duplicate or spin
  • Avoid low quality articles
  • Don't go to extremes
  • Avoid thin content (e.g. 300 word bare minimum)


How will Google treat these in the future?

Is a question I had seen a few times on various posts. Let me give it to you straight; it's already happening. Given that I do a ton of forensic consulting as part of my world, I see a LOT of various situations where sites get whacked. And if it is a manual situation or algorithmic, such as the Google Penguin, indeed we've seen this happen already.

Case One; the company in question did some out reach to some mommy bloggers for a give-away in exchange for a review. As part of the process they;

  • Didn't ask for a positive review
  • Didn't ask for a link at any point
  • As per above, didn't ask for specific anchor text

It all sounds like it's on the up-and-up right? Passes the Google sniff test? Not so fast. Mommy bloggers being what they are, the ones that actually did do a review, generally added a link or two and often with related or identical anchors to the theme of the product they were given.

End result? The website in question actually went DOWN on the term that they were being linked to with. Huh. So I decided to contact a Googler about it given it wasn't a client, just an SEO Dojo member, (no folks, I will never talk to Google on a client's behalf...sorry. Too douchy).

When I brought up the situation and my concern that they indeed weren't trying to maniuplate the link graph in any way, the Googler highlighted some of the blogs in question saying they weren't very trust-able and had a “every other post is a paid post” feel to them.

Case Two; In another instance I was privy to lately, the company in questions hired an SEO to do some link building for them. The bulk of this program was of course, guest posting. They put out some 20-30 or so posts over a 2-3 month period. These posts were avg in quality and the locales they posted them on were, by my standards at least, sub-par.

End result? The site started to move up on teh various phrases being targeted in the campaign, (2-3 or so) as did the referrer traffic on Google for those terms. Then came Penguin 2.0. WHAM! At that point they dropped back down to earth. To slightly lower traffic levels than prior to the guest blogging campaign.

I could give some more examples, but suffice it to say that we've already seen some issues as far as guest blogging/posting is concerned. If anyone tells you otherwise, best to consider the source (usually those peeps sell guest posting or link building services of some kind)

Cry me a river

Is this the end for guest posting?

Yes... and No. Indeed, like Google, I tend to use that kind of response a lot. Indeed there is every reason to believe there is some inherent risk in this type of tactic. But that's the same with all forms of link 'building' at the moment. I'd venture to assert that if you're doing the mass emailing of blogs without some form of vetting, you might wanna' stop that.

If you're leaving an obvious footprint, you might want to avoid that as well. Some things that come to mind include;

  • Persona/entity with little in the way of a social / knowledge graph
  • Contextual links in the post that correlate to the author bio links
  • Easily defined 'campaign' on the link graph (historic activity)
  • Large percentage of low quality blogs
  • Tags such as 'guest post' or 'guest author' on the post


Now, let us consider a different concept; the secondary affect.

If your goal is to 'build' links, you might want to consider 'attracting' links. How would we do that? Start to treat the guest blogging campaign as a way to garner a larger audience and to build authority. You can use the outreach and guest posting campaign to actually drive traffic to your own site/blog. This means we don't actually care if the nofollow attribute is on the post. What we really want is to build an audience to our own site, in the hopes that our own future posts (on-site) will be able to attract links to our own offerings.

There's an algo for that?

Probably not. This is much like the argument many have as far as how Google treats brands. It doesn't make sense to write an algorithmic method to seek out blog posts in isolation. What is seemingly more likely is something that looks at the link graph from elements of trust and authority. Consider some of Matt's statements as far as 'low quality or thin content' and 'duplicate or spun content' as well as the 'authority' of the author (entity graph).

That's more for a Penguin situation of course. They indeed might have some tools or have trained staff to look for these kinds of elements when it comes to manual actions such as an unnatural links action. Let's look at a relative situation such as this site you're on now;

What makes SNC authors different than a guest poster?

  • We don't have the 'guest author' or 'guest post by' in their bios
  • They have a full bio on the site
  • They don't ALWAYS link to their own properties contextually
  • They have an entity graph of related works elsewhere
  • They have authorship associations
  • There's a historic record of multiple authors on the site
  • The site isn't over-diversified topically

Now, compare that to some of the elements we've already highlighted in identifying an outreach campaign for links earlier in this post. Quite a difference. As long as you're not completely brain dead, I am sure you can start to see how Google might differentiate the two.

Build authority not links

End Analysis

I was originally going to also write about how I think Google might go about this as well as things you can do to protect yourself, but I decided that was probably an irresponsible thing to do. Why? Just look how we got here in the first place. A few folks started writing about guest posting (for links) and then a bunch of crap-hats ran the concept completely into the ground... I still get a few emails each day from dumbasses.

I shall leave you to figure it out. If you screw it up? You know where to find me.

Right then... I'm sure you want to know; can I do guest blogging for links? I suppose you can, you just have to be more careful with how you go about it. But that goes for all forms of link building. That's why I prefer the concept of 'attracting' links, not 'building' them. We've seen Google penalize and/or devalue links from past campaigns. Be warned; just because you aren't getting spanked for 'em today, doesn't mean you won't be some day.

Oh and hey, from the “I told you so” file... see my earlier posts on this;

Until next time, play safe!

 

ADDED; July 19 2013

I also came across this video from Matt Cutts around the same time as the above one... and this time he kind of intimates a few other important 'trust' elements;

  • Guest posts on your site will often link out to less than trustable sites, and can have low quality and/pr duplicate posts). Be careful who you are linking out to (aka TrustRank concepts).
  • If youre using guest blogging for links, there's a good chance the links you're sending home, are from a site that has low trust (did U vette the site? do a content and link audit?)

Anyway, here's the vid....

David Harry -

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0 #1 Michael Martinez 2013-07-15 14:34
I think that's a pretty good writeup and I suppose it follows on from your last Regulators podcast.

I think one of the problems with the guest posting craze is that a lot of people are convinced that "it can't happen to me". They see their own work as "high quality" and everyone else's as "low quality".

Even if it takes several years, as soon as Google and automate the process of identifying suspicious guest posts, they will. And then everyone will be arguing over bounce rates and link velocity all over again (because they won't understand what Google is latching onto).
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0 #2 David Harry 2013-07-15 15:05
Hi Michael... yea, we've rambled on about this kinda shit for a while now. What's the ol' saying?; anyone that ranks above me is a spammer? lol

I thin peeps are already grasping at straws as far as what Google's doing. Not only did Caffeine give em more power for deeper graphs beyond the link graph, but also more cycles for the web spam team. As soon as the manual UL message actions started, and then Penguin, folks started preaching guest posting (for links). The writing was on the wall to be honest. Didn't take a genius to see that coming.

Problem was of course, that all those 'article marketing' eedjits just moved over. There's viability in increasing one's visibility with outreach and content drops, peeps just need to consider the value.

And of course the cost becomes prohibitive for the low end SEO vendors... mass producing it won't likely work.
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0 #3 Andrew Shotland 2013-07-15 18:11
:-x Dave, this analysis falls in line with what I have been seeing for a while. Other than most guest-post-laden blogs being pretty obvious, it also appears that when there is little relevance between the overall host site's theme (or lack thereof), the guest post content, the anchor text of the author link and the content of the linked URL, the combination is particularly lethal.
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0 #4 Joe 2013-07-15 19:12
I look for good blogs that have potential to improve. I wrote about this sort of process awhile back in my post "The Rebecca Black Dilemma" http://wrightimc.com/blog/2012/06/12/which-blog-can-i-take/

If I use a blogger service, which I do really like Blogger Linkup, though I wish more quality blogs used the service, I tend to look for blogs that don't post over an incredible array of topics, don't use 'contributor' as a person, and don't restrict the # of links or advertise it as a link building service. I then check the latest few blogs they've written for duplicates and for indexation in Google.
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0 #5 David Harry 2013-07-15 19:30
Andrew - I hear ya man. The crap one's really do stand out. I've seen enough of it when doing forensic consulting on manual or Penguin issues. Beyond just having quality content/author/location there's a few things I can think of to lower the risk, but as I was saying in the post... not about to share that since the crap hats would just abuse it. But there's a few....

Joe - interesting post. To be honest I care less about domain authority (Moz) and TBPR (Google) as I do a few other qualifiers; comments, engagement, social activity etc... Then of course relevance... in terms of "is my target audience here... and will they become followers of my work".... aka 'increase my authority and visibility'

Of course the looming issue will become that the quality locales, will start charging (many are) for posting and well... we're back to the nofollow issue again.

Thus I mused in the post that it will ultimately come down to (clean or nofollowed link aside) being able to drive traffic and also create new followers (to the on-site company blog) that will someday become my linkers.

I don't really see where else this can lead... (safely)
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+1 #6 Mich DeLorme 2013-07-15 19:31
I expected this movement to come much sooner from Google honestly. The moment we started getting buzz about author rank and writers authority... I expected an axing of linkbuiders lamest tactics. Spinning content, multi-posting, bottom feeder guest posts; have after all, become a plauge, we knew they would decide to cure it.

The oldest, simplest and still best advice for SEO, search and social is still the same. Make great original content, because content is king.

@MichDe
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0 #7 David Harry 2013-07-15 19:50
@Mich - yea, methinks it's no different that other forms of common link building over the last while... we can see it ain't gonna last. Don't think anyone should really be surprised by it.

Content is great, but without some (true) outreach/networking, social programs, list building etc... it becomes the 'tree falls in the forest' syndrome.
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0 #8 Doc Sheldon 2013-07-15 22:26
Good piece, Dave. Nothing there I'd disagree with. The only thing I might add to it, as an additional safety margin, is if you allow guest posts on your blog, link their bio box to their G+ profile. If their stuff is good enough to interest someone, they should be able to find their site and social media profiles there. When I guest blog, I do the same, unless it's a blog I already have a history with - then I'll link to my own site.
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0 #9 John Carcutt 2013-07-16 12:10
Link Building is Dead!

Not links mind you but the craft of link building.

People in our industry who spend 90% of their time focusing link building better evolve or find themselves watching training videos in a small backroom at their local Burger King.
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0 #10 Claire Broadley 2013-07-16 12:27
Hi David

I really enjoyed the post. Just one question.

"Mommy bloggers being what they are...."

What does this mean? I'm not being snarky - and I'm not a "mommy blogger". I don't understand what's being implied, though.
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0 #11 David Harry 2013-07-16 12:43
John - as terry like's to say about link building addicted SEOs; "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" hehe

Claire - nps. What I am eluding to is that they are experience bloggers. Many of them professionals. Thus, when it came time to write the review, they linked and often with exact match anchors. They are wise in the way of blogging.
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0 #12 Andy P of SEOTIPS 2013-07-26 10:47
Guest posts are quickly becoming the new article directory but by another name. While doing out reach for a number of clients I am finding the quality sites are now asking for payment to post a guest article (I think minimum quality standards must be met too I guess) You only need to look at one of the many guest post hook up services to see what sort of sites will accept any old rubbish
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0 #13 Joe 2013-07-26 16:12
Quoting Andy P of SEOTIPS:
Guest posts are quickly becoming the new article directory but by another name.


Andy, you're right. It's a damned/damned scenario in many cases. I like Bloggerlinkup, but you need to make sure that the blog site isn't just a garbage dump. Also, for the paid guys try paying for one but not linking to yourself/your client once they see your quality ask if you can write another. It's a risk, but better than getting penalized down the road.
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0 #14 Jerome 2013-08-13 15:41
Well I would prefer to build more referral traffic rather than link building. lol
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0 #15 Jessica Zurik 2013-09-15 16:48
Quoting David Harry:
John - as terry like's to say about link building addicted SEOs; "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" hehe

Claire - nps. What I am eluding to is that they are experience bloggers. Many of them professionals. Thus, when it came time to write the review, they linked and often with exact match anchors. They are wise in the way of blogging.


I fully agree with you :)
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0 #16 MN Marketing 2013-10-08 16:10
Hi Dave! thanks for your informative share! HOwever, in my point of view, we should not care too much about what google said. Sometimes I see that He does not work as the way he mention.
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So we will and do talk about what we want to in our blogs. We can talk about Islam too. Not to disrespect it, but as we may talk about any religion or topic that we feel has affected us during the course of one day. That is what blogging is about. It is not about censorship, but IT IS ABOUT GOOD WRITING, or trying to find one’s writing voice.
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0 #19 saniya 2013-12-17 13:08
So we will and do talk about what we want to in our blogs. We can talk about Islam too. Not to disrespect it, but as we may talk about any religion or topic that we feel has affected us during the course of one day.
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