Has anyone else noticed that there seems to be some changes to the replies one receives when filing a reconsideration request with Google? I have.
Reconsiideration requests are all the rage with the fashionable SEOs in 2012. Everybody’s doing it. We hear about them at every turn. But there really doesn’t seem to be much out there on actual replies. I guess folks are shy huh? We hear a lot about the context of the initial WMT messages, but very little about actual replies after the recon is filed. Today we’re going look at some we collected to get a sense of what’s happening.
Manual v Algorithmic
The first thing we should note is that reconsideration requests are filed when you get notifications from Google in Webmaster Tools, the most common being the
‘unnatural links‘ messages. They generally look like this;
This is not the same as a loss of rankings due to algorithmic changes at Google, such as the infamous Panda/Penguin updates. It is important to understand the differences between a (manual) penalty and an aglo change.
One does not file a reconsideration request for algorithmic changes, that is only for ‘manual’ penalties. Not sure which is which? Watching the known dates (for Panda/Penguin) is a great place to start.
The background
This particular journey began a few weeks back when one of my warrior brethren passed a recent reply someone they knew had received from Google. It contained some terminology I hadn’t seen before as well as some actual examples of ‘inorganic links’ pointing to the site in question.
That got me thinking that there wasn’t really a source to monitor potential changes and/or responses. As such I started reaching out to folks on social channels and my own networks.
Google states that these activities are ‘manual‘, what we have seen is that the replies are are indeed automated/templated, only some details of each changes. Many of the examples we had were substantially the same text.
Past examples of Google replies
To get some context on what we believe is a change in the way Google is responding, let’s look at some of the ones prior to May 2012.
Dear site owner or webmaster of [XXXXX],
We received a request from a site owner to reconsider [prospect’s site] for compliance with Google’s Webmaster Guidelines. We’ve reviewed your site and we still see links to your site that violate our quality guidelines.
Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.
We encourage you to make changes to comply with our quality guidelines. Once you’ve made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration in Google’s search results.
If you find unnatural links to your site that you are unable to control or remove, please provide the details in your reconsideration request.
If you have additional questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.
Sincerely, Google Search Quality Team
In this one we’re still seeing the mentions of ‘artificial or unnatural links’ and the rest of it is fairly non-descriptive. At this point they also tell you to provide details on links you are ” unable to control or remove”. This later seems to change into “regardless of who created the links”.
Ok, now for what seems to be part II in the evolution;
Hello, thank you for your request.
We’ve reviewed your site and we believe that some or all of your pages still violate our quality guidelines, which can be found here: http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35769#3 .
These guidelines outline illicit practices which may lead Google to take action on a site in order to keep webspam out of search results. In addition to this email, you may also receive a notification in Webmaster Tools regarding the outcome of your reconsideration request.
Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes. Here are a couple of articles describing these techniques:
Buying links to pass PageRank; http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66736
Link schemes; http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66356
To illustrate how these articles could apply to you, here are examples of pages that contain inorganic links to your site:
(I have removed the LINKs, details on them below)
Link One
Directory site; Homepage TBPR5 ““ Indexation; 48k
Domain Backlinks; 12000
Actual page; indexed – TBPR0Link Two
Directory site; Homepage TBPR8 ““ Indexation; 14k
Domain Backlinks; 3560
Actual page; indexed ““ TBPR0To find more links to your site, you can download a list in Webmaster Tools by doing the following:
1. Click on your site at https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/
2. Click on ‘Your site on the web’ and then ‘Links to your site.’
3. Under ‘Who links the most,’ click ‘More.’4. At the top of the page, click on ‘Download more sample links.’
Please correct or remove all content that is outside our quality guidelines. You might consider reaching out to the webmasters of the sites with the inorganic links on them. For advice on how to go about contacting them, read http://support.google.com/websearch/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=9109.
Once you have updated your site, reply to this email noting the specific changes you made. Only after there has been a significant decrease in unnatural linking will we consider reviewing your reconsideration request again. If there are still links that you could not remove, we will look for an explanation of why you were unable to do so.
If you’d like more specific advice for your site, consider posting in our Webmaster Help Forum, where a community of webmasters may be able to help you. You can post to the Forum by visiting the following link:
Sincerely, The Google Search Quality Team
This was the first time, that I can tell, that we’ve seen not only the use of ‘inorganic links’ (in addition to ‘unnatural’) and the appearance of actual URLs to links that may have been an issue. It also contains the ‘some or all pages’ reference. Does that mean there is an element of on-site and off-site issues? It’s hard to say.
As with some of the others, directories were highlighted. Does that mean they are the root of the issue? No. I have also seen a variety of other issues from WordPress template (footer) links and review blogs that are wide in relevance and low on trust.
More recent replies more detailed?
More recently we started seeing responses that look like this;
Thank you for your request.
We have received your updates and completed our investigation into your site’s backlinks. At this time we are still seeing a significant number of inorganic links to this site and have taken action to prevent them from artificially inflating your site’s ranking. Please note that we try to be granular in our actions as we focus on the inorganic links to your site, preserving organic recommendations.
Below you can find examples of back links that still violate our guidelines,
(I have removed the LINKs, details on them below)
Link One
Directory site; Homepage TBPR0 ““ Indexation 2400
Backlinks; 560
Actual page; indexed – TBPR0
Link TwoCrap site (blog?); Homepage TBPR3 ““ Indexation 720k
Backlinks; 27300
Actual page; not indexed TBPR0
Link ThreeDirectory; Homepage TBPR2 ““ Indexation 1530
Backlinks; 2590
Actual page; indexed – TBPR0
Link FourDirectory; Homepage TBPR3 ““ Indexation 25k
Backlinks; 515
Actual page; not indexed – TBPR1
Link FiveDirectory; Homepage TBPR0 ““ Indexation 361k
Backlinks; 172
Actual page; not indexed ““ TBPR0At this time, we have determined that no further actions are required on our end. We will need to see more progress on the removal of the inorganic links before any actions on those links are revoked.
Regardless of who created the links, in order to protect the quality of our search results, we have taken action to reduce the trust of inorganic links to your site. Webspam techniques such as link schemes attempt to trick our systems into ranking sites higher than they should, which can affect our ability to provide high-quality search results to our users. We take these webspam violations seriously.
In the meantime, we recommend that you continue to work on cleaning up the inorganic links to your site. As a reminder, if you’d like more specific advice for your site, consider posting in our Webmaster Help Forum, where a community of webmasters may be able to help you. You can post to the Forum by visiting the following link:
Sincerely, The Google Search Quality Team
That one is particularly as it mentions ‘inorganic’ links a few times and actually gives examples of 5 links (4 of them being from directories).
Again, it should be noted that directories again were given as examples but that doesn’t make them the only issue. That being said, we did see enough mentions of them to make it an area I’d be looking at (as an SEO). Just don’t be myopic on what ‘inorganic links’ may mean.
And this, “we have taken action to reduce the trust of inorganic links to your site” ? Why not just devalue them, instead of penalizing? More on that in a bit.
Follow up to the initial request
From these, we start to see some formats that aren’t as template driven as the first responses tend to be;
"Thank you for your request and all of the follow up analysis. We’ve reviewed your case again, and unfortunately there are still many inorganic links pointing to the site. For example:…"
Or
"Thank you for your follow up email and all of the information provided. The documentation you provided was very helpful in processing and understanding this case.
After re-evaluating your site’s backlinks we are able to partially revoke a manual action. There are still inorganic links pointing to your site that we have taken action on. Once you’ve been able to make further progress in getting these links removed, feel free to reply to this email with the details of your clean-up effort" (source)
In the later, we see there has been a ‘partial’ reduction in the manual action. Does that mean it’s entirely manual? It is possible that removing the links has brought (certain pages?) within a more acceptable limit and/or threshold. Other pages on the site, may still be above that.
On-site Web Spam?
The world of links isn’t the only examples we’ve come across. In the following example it seems there might be some on-site issues at play;
Dear site owner or webmaster of XXXXX,
We received a request from a site owner to reconsider XXXX for compliance with Google’s Webmaster Guidelines.
We’ve reviewed your site and we believe that some or all of your pages still violate our quality guidelines.
In order to preserve the quality of our search engine, pages from XXXX may not appear or may not rank as highly in Google’s search results, or may otherwise be considered to be less trustworthy than sites which follow the quality guidelines.
If you wish to be reconsidered again, please correct or remove all pages that are outside our quality guidelines. When such changes have been made, please visit https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/reconsideration?hl=en and resubmit your site for reconsideration.
If you have additional questions about how to resolve this issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.
Sincerely, Google Search Quality Team
It doesn’t really give information as to what exactly the problem may be, “some or all of your pages” does seem to intimate that. In talking with some other folks (I didn’t get a copy of actual dialogue) I’ve also heard about
- Links to 404 pages
- No Followed links
- AFF links that go through redirect script.
Point being, that there are some things happening that are on site, not just links. The on-site ones I’ve seen are certainly in the minority, but that might just be the data I had access to. If anyone has had a dialogue with Google about on-site elements, please do let me know.
Nothing to see here
Next up we also have some examples of websites that were told there weren’t any manual actions taken against the site. In these cases it is most likely that it was a related to an algorithmic change such as Panda/Penguin or another update.
Dear site owner or webmaster of XXXX,
We received a request from a site owner to reconsider XXX for compliance with Google’s Webmaster Guidelines.We reviewed your site and found no manual actions by the webspam team that might affect your site’s ranking in Google. There’s no need to file a reconsideration request for your site, because any ranking issues you may be experiencing are not related to a manual action taken by the webspam team.
Of course, there may be other issues with your site that affect your site’s ranking. Google’s computers determine the order of our search results using a series of formulas known as algorithms. We make hundreds of changes to our search algorithms each year, and we employ more than 200 different signals when ranking pages. As our algorithms change and as the web (including your site) changes, some fluctuation in ranking can happen as we make updates to present the best results to our users.
If you’ve experienced a change in ranking which you suspect may be more than a simple algorithm change, there are other things you may want to investigate as possible causes, such as a major change to your site’s content, content management system, or server architecture. For example, a site may not rank well if your server stops serving pages to Googlebot, or if you’ve changed the URLs for a large portion of your site’s pages. This article has a list of other potential reasons your site may not be doing well in search.
If you’re still unable to resolve your issue, please see our Webmaster Help Forum for support.
Sincerely, Google Search Quality Team"
I haven’t decided if this is a good thing, or a bad thing. If you get one of these, and have lost significant traffic, it is more likely you’ve been hit with something algorithmic such as Panda, Penguin or some unnamed beast.
Dealing with Google Penalties
Of course the million dollar question is; what am I supposed to do now?
For the most part people have been running about trying to get links removed and inevitably a few companies have cropped up to help you with your efforts. While we’ll leave examples of what to remove for next time, by and large I’d be looking at the quality and relevance of the site where the link resides.
Of course link un-building can be a huge issue and the stated attitude of “Regardless of who created the links” leaves the door open for potential ‘negative SEO’ for websites that have weaker, less diverse profiles.
NOTE; takes time to get links ‘removed’ from the index depending on crawling of site where they are. Just because you get the link removed, doesn’t mean Google doesn’t still ‘see‘ it.
If you’re getting a manual penalty for on-site issues, that kinda be a bit more of an issue. We didn’t see a lot of actual examples to webmasters. If you’re doing suspect on-site SEO, then you likely already know. If it’s something that’s happened without your knowledge (CSS gone mad, CMS features) it may not be so easy.
Ultimately I don’t believe you should just ‘sit tight’ and do nothing. If you’ve lost rankings and have established it wasn’t Panda/Penguin (looking at roll out dates helps here) then a reconsideration request is likely the way to go.
Where is this all headed?
To my thinking this line is huge, ” we have taken action to reduce the trust of inorganic links to your site“. If Google can and has removed the value from the suspect links, why not just do that and call it a day? Inform the webmaster of the types of links which aren’t passing value, instead of penalizing them. This would surely end a given link building tactic in short order without the risk of ‘negative’ SEO.
At some point one would have to believe that Google might want to just give webmasters the option to discount links. If it’s negative SEO or just some poor website owner who trusted an SEO that strayed to close to the edge, making people jump through hoops and expend resources, just doesn’t seem like the right answer. Especially for past indescretions on tactics that Google didn’t seem to mind (even I have done WordPress themes in the past, for example).
It’s like changing the speed limit on the street in front of my house and then giving me a speeding ticket for last year when I was driving the old limit.
I had written about that back in April and since that time Google has intimated on a few levels that this may indeed be something they implement at some point. Sadly, it won’t be soon enough for many of the websites already caught in the grips.
If you have received a reply to a Google reconsideration request and are willing to share (non-disclosure assured) please do get in touch. The more we can learn the better.
Until next time, play safe.
ADDED; July 19 2013
Today I was wandering around the Google Webmaster forums and found this thread. In there they mention getting a message that read;
Google has detected that some of your pages may be using techniques that are outside our Webmaster Guidelines.
As a result of your site having thin content with little or no added value, Google has applied a manual spam action to laptoptop7.com/. There may be other actions on your site or parts of your site.
And after asking around, Nichola Stott mentioned seeing one a few weeks back. This one has a few additonal details;;
We’ve detected that some of your site’s pages may be using techniques that are outside Google’s Webmaster Guidelines.
Specifically, we’ve detected low-quality pages on your site which do not provide substantially unique content or added value. Examples could include thin affiliate pages, doorway pages, automatically generated content or copied content. For more information about unique and compelling content, visit http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66361.
We encourage you to make changes to your site so that it meets our quality guidelines. Once you’ve made these changes, please submit your site for reconsideration
While’s it not likely to be THAT new, I haven’t seen that one in my travels. It certainly does seem like it’s aimed at ‘Panda-like‘ type issues. Can we consider that there’s a threshold from Panda to massive thin content that causes a manual action? Entirely possible.
Interesting indeed…
(August 08 2013) We came across another interesting manual penalty notice;
Google has detected a pattern of artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site. Buying links or participating in link schemes in order to manipulate PageRank are violations of Google’s Webmaster Guidelines.
As a result, Google has applied a manual spam action to <domani>. There may be other actions on your site or parts of your site
Screen below;
While this one above was from the UK, I had not really seen one this thin before. Is that related to the recent changes in the Google Link Schemes page? Hard to say.
I find it odd that I have never received warning messages or responses of any kind to my reconsideration requests. I have been pretty elaborate in them. 😮
I am also anticipating an “ignore link” feature.
[quote name=”Meredith”]I find it odd that I have never received warning messages or responses of any kind to my reconsideration requests. I have been pretty elaborate in them. 😮
I am also anticipating an “ignore link” feature.[/quote]
Your site just got smacked with an algorithm update most likely then and there’s not much you can do but start over or remove junk links and obtain them naturally over time.
The more resources that search engines have to invest in crawling and filtering out bogus links, the more it behooves them to establish trusting relationships with Webmasters to discourage the practice of creating bogus links.
I think we’re seeing an evolution in the conversation between search engine and Webmaster because the process of compensating for cheap links is becoming too expensive for the search engines.
They are feeling the pain and they are now sharing the pain. We can argue about whether they should put so much trust in links but as long as Webmasters continue to trust links to help with their search referral business then the arguments become moot.
I hate the website upandowner and I think its responsible for a lot of these unnatural links emails, someone should get that closed and im sure the link profiles will look cleaner.
I am not entirely convinced UpDowner is an issue really. We saw a lot of directories mentioned, many a low quality blog, types of links (like the WP theme approach) and so on. Scraper/aggregator sites such as UD didn’t come up. Not to say it ‘may’ not be an issue, we simply didn’t see that as of yet.
Hey I had a quick question after reading through these examples. You mention as a possible on site penalty affiliate links that go through a redirect script.
What exactly do you mean by that? I have affiliate links on one of my sites. I put each affiliate link into bitly so that the links aren’t so long. I then nofollow those bitly links which redirect to affiliate links which redirect to the advertiser.
Is this not advisable? Could it bring on some kind of penalty? Did you mean something else by affiliate link redirect script?
Do all manual Google penalties expire at some point? Or does Google decide to keep some penalties on sites indefinitely (if the site doesn’t fix the problem)?
I thought I saw a video of Matt Cutts saying that all manual penalties are given expiration dates, but that they vary in length.
Any thoughts on this?
[quote name=”Jerry”]Do all manual Google penalties expire at some point? Or does Google decide to keep some penalties on sites indefinitely (if the site doesn’t fix the problem)?
I thought I saw a video of Matt Cutts saying that all manual penalties are given expiration dates, but that they vary in length.
Any thoughts on this?[/quote]
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES01L4xjSXE
Manual penalties do not expire. You need to make the fixes to your site, submit a reconsideration request and have a google employee re-evaluate your site and lift the penalty.
If you did not get a letter from google, the penalty is algorithmic. After you make changes to your site, the crawler will pick up on this and adjust your rankings accordingly.
In the video he says that the algorithmic slaps do expire based on severity of the manipulation.
[quote name=”Oleg Korneitchouk”][quote name=”Jerry”]Do all manual Google penalties expire at some point? Or does Google decide to keep some penalties on sites indefinitely (if the site doesn’t fix the problem)?
I thought I saw a video of Matt Cutts saying that all manual penalties are given expiration dates, but that they vary in length.
Any thoughts on this?[/quote]
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES01L4xjSXE
Manual penalties do not expire. You need to make the fixes to your site, submit a reconsideration request and have a google employee re-evaluate your site and lift the penalty.
If you did not get a letter from google, the penalty is algorithmic. After you make changes to your site, the crawler will pick up on this and adjust your rankings accordingly.
In the video he says that the algorithmic slaps do expire based on severity of the manipulation.[/quote]
In the video he says “on the manual side”, and then says that they do expire based on the severity. So it sounds like manual penalties do expire, right?
To answer your question ” If Google can and has removed the value from the suspect links, why not just do that and call it a day?”
Because they are making millions by penalizing great sites who don’t pay them for ads. Now these sites which used to conduct business through natural search results are forced to pay or go bust. There is absolutely no other logical reason for it. Although there very may well be a good deal of unfriendly sites which were ranking well previously and shouldn’t have been, there were an equal amount of high quality sites which should logically appear in the results regardless of what Google thinks of the links pointing to them. Instead of showing these sites they would rather show junk or just less worthy sites so that they can earn more revenue. The proof is in the earnings since these penalties started being issued. Do you really think wall street would allow them to act ethically when they have made so much money by doing the opposite?
This is a very helpful article. thanks for sharing. These are the things that we ought to know as I am not an SEO expert. 🙂
I agree with Sean H. Well said, exactly what I was thinking.
Please share the negative aspects that can happen after reconsideration? will my other sites submitted in the webmaster can be affected?
The first message i get from google was a unatural link message, then i have clean up the site i submited a 2nd and then 3rd reconsideration request but still i get a rejected message but without mention anything about links, does it means that i have to focus on things going on the pages of the site? here is the message:
“We’ve reviewed your site and we believe that some or all of your pages still violate our quality guidelines.
In order to preserve the quality of our search engine, pages from http://www.xxxx.xx may not appear or may not rank as highly in Google’s search results, or may otherwise be considered to be less trustworthy than sites which follow the quality guidelines.
If you wish to be reconsidered again, please correct or remove all pages that are outside our quality guidelines. When such changes have been made, please visit https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/reconsideration?hl=en and resubmit your site for reconsideration.
“